Pennsylvania Anti Gunners Hope Shenanigans Can Save Red Flag Bill

Pennsylvania Anti Gunners Hope Shenanigans Can Save Red Flag Bill

by Tom Knighton - October 15, 2019

Red flag laws are incredibly popular according to the polls. Granted, they almost never get voted for by the public when they get the chance, but in the polls, it looks like a slam dunk. Yet polling doesn’t really impact legislation nearly as much as some might believe. For example, despite all that polling, Pennsylvania’s red flag law looks to be dying in committee. Such is the only appropriate ending for such a pathetic infringement on someone’s civil liberties.

However, that view isn’t shared by everyone. In fact, anti-gunners are considering a legislative end-around to try and save the bill. A summer filled with gun violence has given way to an autumn of frustration for many Pennsylvania lawmakers who want to do something about shootings, and some think it’s time to pull a political end-around to shake things up.

A popular bill that has stalled in a legislative committee would allow for the temporary confiscation of firearms from people deemed to show “red flag” symptoms of being in crisis. A logical next step, some bill supporters say, is a maneuver called a “discharge resolution” which, if approved, automatically plucks a bill from a committee where it has stalled.

“We need to try every tactic we can,” said state Rep. Leanne Krueger, a Delaware County Democrat who supports the bill. In other words, anti-gun lawmakers aren’t able to successfully bully their colleagues into approving the bill, so they want to try and use some legislative shenanigans to bypass the committee entirely. Yeah, because that’s how it’s supposed to work. If there’s saving grace, it’s that discharge resolutions in Pennsylvania have a long and storied history of simply not working.

According to The Morning Call in the above-linked story: The Morning Call reviewed online state records of the past 50 resolutions attempting to “discharge” bills from committees in both the House and Senate, dating back 11 years. Of that number, only one ― a 2017 resolution to shake up a bill that put a severance tax on natural gas production ― went to an actual vote in the House. The resolution was defeated, 115 votes to 83. So it’s not like this has a real shot at yielding any real benefit for anti-gunners. Still, leave to the anti-gun legions to try something like this when it’s clear they don’t have the support for the bill they like to think they do.

While some lawmakers argue that discharge resolutions serve to draw attention to stalled bills more than anything else, it’s not like people don’t know about a red flag bill. The lack of movement has nothing to do with ignorance. The fact of the matter is that anti-gunners are notoriously sore losers. They don’t get the chance to infringe on people’s civil liberties and then they stomp and throw tantrums in an attempt to change people’s minds. That’s all this discharge resolution talk really is.

They’re not getting their way and so they decide to go all Veruca Salt in the legislature under the misguided belief that if they stomp their feet hard enough, they’ll get their way. Just imagine what they could accomplish if they used that determination to protect people’s civil liberties rather than infringe upon them.


Outrageous! A 84-year old Korean War & Police Veteran, School Crossing Guard has guns confiscated under ‘Red Flag Law’ Local residents of a Martha’s Vineyard town in Massachusetts are up in arms after a revered school crossing guard has had his legally owned guns and carry license confiscated by police.

Stephen Nichols is an 84-year old Korean War veteran who served as a police officer of Tisbury, Massachusetts for six decades. He’s been employed as a school crossing guard of the Tisbury School, until recent termination as a result of the same unclear incident that’s resulted in the red flag gun seizure executed against him.

Local reports indicate that Nichols had criticized a local school resource officer in a manner that was interpreted as a threat by the officer and local law enforcement. Nichols was evidently unhappy that the resource officer was taking coffee breaks when children were arriving at school in the morning.

Nichols invoked his Korean War service as his rationale for his displeasure with the unnamed school resource officer when speaking with the Martha’s Vineyard Times, stating his belief that such integral personnel should remain ‘on-post’ at all times in order to ensure the safety of Tisbury School students.

Nichols expressed his concern that someone could “shoot up” the school while the resource officer was off-post in a conversation with a friend at a local restaurant a few weeks ago. The conversation was apparently heard by a waitress, who made a police report. Shortly after, Nichols was fired as a crossing guard while on the job, after which police drove him to his house to collect his legally owned firearms. He claims to have held a Massachusetts concealed carry permit for more than fifty years that was promptly taken by police. Nichols states that no paperwork or documentation was provided to him after the red flag gun seizure.

The owner of the Linda Jeans’ restaurant in which Nichols was speaking over his concerns in regards to school security has called the police treatment of the 84-year old “outrageous.” He believes one of his employees overreacted by making a police report. Tisbury police have steadfastly refused to discuss any details of the case when approached on the matter by local Massachusetts media.

Nichols has 11 grandchildren, and told the Martha’s Vineyard Times that he “would never, ever, ever, harm a child.” What happened to Nichols is exactly the type of scenario that critics of ‘red flag’ laws have repeatedly warned about. An apparently innocent man, most likely on a fixed income, is now going to have to come up with the money to pay for an attorney. There was no due process, and it would appear from all accounts that there wasn’t even a half-hearted investigation prior to confiscating his guns and further the police allegedly did not even provide documentation for the firearms that were confiscated.

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